Im confused about a couple things though..

*Chancelor Palpatine, secretly a Sith Lord, and a master at manipulation- Did he somehow orchestrate the need for the clone army as a ways to increase his own personal power? Im wondering if it was secretly Palpatine who placed the orders for the clone army. At the end when Dooku indicated war had begun, Palpatine/Sidious indicated that had been the plan all along. So was Palpatine maniputing the Trade Federation and the Jedi to fight against each other, so that Palpatine would be given power to resolve the problm? (the key being he was given 'temporary' emergency powers)

*Exactly what were the Sith- were they former Jedi, or a differnt entity all together? Palpatine must have tremendous power, but it was VERY odd that even when sitting before a group of Jedi, none could sense Palpatine's alterior motives...

I would love to read a story about who trained Palpatine. being a Sith Lord, he must be handy with a light sabre..

My hunch is in episode 3, Papatine will be exposed as being the Sith Lord, and will ultimatly declare himself emperor. I could see Palpatine being the one who will kill Mace Windu. (or mabey Boba Fett kills Windu, for revenge on the death of Jango..)

..Palpatine will have any remaining Jedi hunted down and killed, thus Yoada will escape in exhile to Dagoba, Obi Wan to Tattooine...

regards

Boba Fortuna

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And then in the Sith idea, I believe that they are mixed and matched. I believe Palpatine was a former, or it might be that he had the force ability but was taught by one of former Jedi heritage or something.

It actually all stated from a oucasted Jedi, so I guess that they are all former Jedi's or they all could be since it begun that way, and it hasn't actually lead down that way, but truly started it like that from heritage stand point.

Now, Darth maul on the other hand could have been picked up from Palpatine, as he wasn't known at all by the sight of Qui-Gon.

Soo.......to answer your question this is it.

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Palpatine is working both sides just like he did in Episode I to further bring himself to more power. Think of all the goals he has accomplished from playing both sides. In Episode II he has accomplished to have emergency powers, which I beleive will now bring him into power as an emperor, and he pretty much has control of 2 armies. By being in control of these armies he will force a war. Involved in this war is the Jedi. We saw that a lot of them were killed in Episode II, so think of how many more are gonna die throughout the course of a war.

To learn more about the Sith read the novelization of Episode I. You learn that the Sith was started by an evil Force user who decided to create a line of Sith. Only 2 at a time, and so Palpatine was just another apprentice of a Sith...

Yea...fun stuff....

Ooh and yea, Boba Fett will still be young in the next movie. The next movie is almost right after Episode II.

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"Can't you hear my motored heart? Your the one that started it!"

-Foo Fighters "Generator"

Cogito ergo sum

Gee, lets see- all are played by the same actor, the Chancelor and the Emperor share the name Palpatine- why are people failing to make such an obvious connection?

One fan suggested that Palpatine is a clone of Darth Sidious, and is Sidious's puppet- and Sidious will eventually do away with Palpatine and assume control. I think they're the same person.

One fan who insists one example of 'proof' why Palpatine could not be Sidious or the Emperor is beacuse Palpatine was friendly, and 'showed genuine concern for Padme' Amidala's well being". His concern was as insincere ass kissing as Ive ever seen....Palpatine was the greatest manipulator in the galaxy.......

What im most eager to see is what happens when the Jedi realise Chancelor Palpaine is in fact a Sith, and how he will go about declaring himself Emperor.At that point, his 'nice guy' facade will vanish....

regards

Boba Fortuna

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anyway, heres whats gonna happen for anakin to become vader:

1)padme is going to confide in Obi-wan that she is pregnant with anakin's children.
2) palpatine will continue to give anakin the "line" about being the strongest jedi ever, and it will continue to make anakin wierd out.
3) anakin is going to find out about padme's confiding in obi-wan about something, and palpatine will make it look like obi-wan is trying to steal her from anakin.
4) anakin will confront obi-wan with his "knowledge", blinded by his "love" for padme he wont listen to the reasons obi-wan gives him, cause sure as heck obi-wan one break in and tell padme's secret, she confided in him.
5)obi-wan will have to kill vader, im sure all of you have heard the thoughts about a lava pool, perhaps he falls in as a resault of there fight.
6)palpatine will "save" him from whatever obi-wan did to h im.
7) paplatine will then come to him as sidious, and tell him something along the lines of "i can teach you my boy, i can show you the path of true power, the jedi will pay for what they have done to you, obi-wan will pay for stealing your love"
8) finaly, anakin has come to realize his anger has begun to comsume him, and also realizes that palpatine lied to him, and that anakin got mad at the jedi for nothing, $30 bucks say's they use the line from return of the jedi "your hate has made you powerful, strike me down and your transformation will be complete" or something along those lines, then, anakin will kill dooku, who will try to defend is his master, and with that, anakin turns to vader.

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Dark Horse comics dealt very briefly with this. There was a magickal race, called the Sith, which had VERY BRIEFLY been alluded to once holding power over the entire galaxy. They had thus then degraded quite a bit (think Roman Empire).

Anyway, there were a group of jedi who were not happy about the restrictions placed upon them as force users. They saw the dark side as being more powerful, and wanted to use it. Kicked out of the council and jedi school for this, they wandered about seeking a planet on which they could develop their own skills. They found the Sith, annihilated them, and took over their planet and what powers they had. (Which could be where the "Force Lightning" originates.)

Through the ages squabbling for power amongst the new Dark Jedi, over "who was gonna be top dog," resulted in huge fights among themselves. The leading Dark Jedi resolved this issue, then claimed them as being "Sith," (taking over the name of the original race they had destroyed) and proclaimed that from that point on there could only be two. The Dark side was too strong to allow any more than that. Too much fighting would always erupt.

This is according to Dark Horse comics, and some people do not claim it as being "true" Star Wars according to Lucas. (But this is the story I used as a springboard when developing my storyline here. So in this rpg, the "sith" everyone thinks of being "sith" -- Maul, Vader, Palpatine, whoever -- are really Dark Jedi. The Sith are an ancient, once powerful, and now dead race of beings. Aelvedaar, Recinis and Dark Lord Roan are Sith. Other baddies for the most part are really Dark Jedi.)

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Yes, there will be serprises in ep. 3, i can tell ya that much, just wait you see *acts as if he knew exactly what was happeing*

ok, let the truth be known, GL didnt want me to tell anyone (he's my good buddy afterall, and im totaly serious about that fact) but heres how it is. as it turns out, the emperer is really an evil clone of qui-gon jinn, and thats why anakin turns to the darkside, because he still holds that special something in his heart for the guy that saved him. And also, further more, darth vader isnt anakin, but rather a clone of obi-wan who decides to take up the fight that his apprentice believed so hardily in, anakin died in the depths of the nuclear reactor for the deathstar...

and as for palpatine...well, his true idendity at this time is only known as... solo...thats all i can say without getting GL pissed at me...

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Oh, what the hey!

(ROTFLMAO I just love dry humor!)

OK, getting up and brushing myself off now...

Hmmm. So then in Empire Strikes back we should ignore the scene when the Emperor's shuttle arrives, and the guy who is obvious Sidious departs to join with Vader, who bows to him... (like he's going to bow to a mere Emperor, sheesh) ...? They say, "The Emperor has arrived!" and Vader goes to meet him, and then they walk, and it's the same durned half-hidden face they use in Episodes 1 and 2, the same cloak no less, hooded the same way, same voice and mannerisms.

And here's a direct quote from the Star Wars encyclopedia, taken from the "Palpatine" entry: "...Palpatine either seduced them to the dark side of the force, as he did with Anakin Skywalker, a powerful and promising Jedi who was transformed into Darth Vader..." then they refer to the novel where the cloned Palpatine appears: "...For a brief period, Luke accepted the cloned Emperor's training in the dark side..."

I think it's pretty obvious. Palpatine and Sidious are one and the same.

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"...and it's the same durned half-hidden face they use in Episodes 1 and 2, the same cloak no less, hooded the same way, same voice and mannerisms."

your proof is that they look and sound the same. that does not prove a thing. it is merely evidence that they are related. the clone theory still works.

you also stated:

"And here's a direct quote from the Star Wars encyclopedia, taken from the "Palpatine" entry: "...Palpatine either seduced them to the dark side of the force, as he did with Anakin Skywalker, a powerful and promising Jedi who was transformed into Darth Vader..." then they refer to the novel where the cloned Palpatine appears: "...For a brief period, Luke accepted the cloned Emperor's training in the dark side...'"

Besides, the clone theory is just too... anticlimatic. Too predictable in its unpredictability. Far more impact that Palpatine is Sidious, far more dangerous a foe to thus reaize with 20-20 hindsight that he had been hidden in the middle of everything all along, like a lurking dianoga, quietly manipulating and watching from his vantage point.

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i never said the cloned emperor didnt train luke, all i said was:"all that quote states is palpatine turned anakin and luke to the dark side (for a time). that in no way proves sidious and palpatine is the same person. in fact, it in no way even suggests it!!!"

please point out where it says i believe the cloned emperor did not train luke and explain what that has to do with sidious and the emperor

I think your just taking this a litle to far in your hopes that lucas will do something grand with him... cause he is, who he's always been, in fact, i bet you anything, the jedi already know he is sidious, but they have no hard proof, besides there feelings, and as we see in modern sociaty, even an admiral doenst accuse another admiral of doing something, so the jedi would just lose favor...

there is of course the possibility, that sidious is someone else entirly, and what would that do? i bet you anything youd have so many starwars fans hunting down and killing GL in that instance, they probably wouldnt even stay to finish the movie... i mean, when you screw with that, our "beloved" emperor palpatine, you are asking for it...

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