So hows about when Darth SIDIOUS tells the Nimrods...errr Nemodians that:

1. "I will have the Senate bogged down in procedures."

and:

2. "I will see to it that in the Senate things stay as they are."

How is a SITH LORD gonna bog the Senate down in procedures or make sure things stay the way that they are within it unless he has ALOT OF CONTROL in the Senate? Even if Palpatine was a puppet of Sidious's, that's a rather grand claim.

And have you noted that the clip on the neck of Sidious's and Palpatine's cloak is THE SAME? Go back and watch Episode I, you can see it. Now WHY THE HECK would a Senator feel the need to where the same apparrel as a SITH LORD? You could argue away the fact that they wear similar black cloaks maybe, but A CLIP?

The only argument that can POSSIBLY have any bearing is that one is the clone of the other. And I don't think is very likely, clone or not, that BOTH GUYS would be wearing THE EXACT SAME CLOTHING. They clone the people. Not their clothes.

There's proof.

[ 09-11-2002 01:25 AM: Message edited 1 time, lastly by Mara1Jade ]

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*Takes a bow*

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And Force-weilding clones are unstable. Of course, that's based on my EU background, so you can argue it uncannon if you like.

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By your words you contradict yourself: "if it was some sort of sith symbol, only a sith would know it.." If symbol of note to the "Sith" the clip might be, why would a SITH let a senator wear it???? Or even an Emperor????

Now, let us not beat any longer upon the poor horse, it is aready dead....

[ 09-11-2002 03:29 PM: Message edited 1 time, lastly by Graysith ]

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you stated

"why would a SITH let a senator wear it"

Unless by your suggestion that Palpatine is a sithlord is saying he is indeed Sidious.

Darksider, from hereon: any posts you feel are of inflammatory nature to you, please contact me in PM. NOT in a post. Them's purty strong accusatory words you are speaking yourself.

[ 09-11-2002 04:01 PM: Message edited 1 time, lastly by Graysith ]

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I also think many people are waiting with bated breath for some wild story twist to come out... which I personally feel will cheapen the entire storyline.

The disclosures that Vader is Luke's father, Leia is his sister, is quite enough. It was already established that Sidious was the Emperor, and fact shows a more elegant plot device having now revealing how truly Lord Sidious lived up to his name: "insidiously rising in rank and power and creating his own Empire from within, always a move more difficult to hold out against because you only can view it later with 20-20 hindsight.

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Sidious was 'The Emperor'? I thought it was 'Emperor Palpatine'?

Well, heh, it doesn't matter if they are the same person... as we think...

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I mean, of course I did... who didn't...

So Lubaca is quite the jarring individual, isn't he?

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Come on, Chewie's vocabulary was much better than Jar-Jar's...

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AEIOU... and sometimes Y, I have heard...

Here is my theory. Syfo Dyas obviously did exist as a Jedi - of that there is no doubt. Obi Wan recognised the name when Lama Su mentioned that he had ordered the creation of the Clone Army for the Republic. Similarly, when Obi Wan reported this to Yoda and Mace they gave each other a slightly worried look, but never gave much of a response to Obi Wan.

In my opinion, Syfo Dyas IS Darth Sidious. He was once a Jedi, who like Dooku left the order as one of the lost 20 that we have heard about, yet not been given much info on. He was passed off as dead to younger Jedi by the council much in the same way as Vader was to Luke by Ben in ANH. Yoda and Mace know that he is not dead, but they are unsure of his whereabouts and are aware of his practicing in the dark side.

Ok, so now to the link between Sidious & Palpatine as there definately is one. I'm not 100% sure about the clone theory as there is too much cloning going on, however, it is a possiblity. The thing which strikes me is that the young Palpatine we see in the prequal trilogy does not have the same lumps and bumps on his face that he does in Jedi when we see his face fully. Explain how in just 25 years he would end up looking like that! His face is almost grey in ROTJ, and I dont believe that ageing alone would cause his face to end up looking like that! No, what I believe is that the Chancellor we see now is NOT the Emperor we see in ROTJ - That Emperor is Sidious, who, once his clone has done all the dirty work, assumes the role of Emperor Palpatine himself.

We have not yet seen Sidious's face above his mouth. Why would Lucas not do this if Sidious and Palpatine were one and the same? GL does this to make people think that they are one and the same, to make us think that Sidious is not showing his face because he is hiding his true identity.

The Jedi are aware of a dark force rising. Though, the "dark side clouds everything", so they cannot pin-point exactly where the menace is coming from, but I am pretty sure that they expect Syfo Dyas to be having an involvement with it. The connection between Dyas and Dooku would also explain as to how easily Dooku would have been prepared to join up with another disgruntled, power hungry, former Jedi. Exactly why Dyas and Dooku left the Jedi order is unknown, but I am sure we will find this out in Episode III.

So, in short, my theory is - Syfo Dyas left the Jedi Order and assumed the alias of Darth Sidious. He cloned himself on Kamino and altered his appearance slightly. He found a planet that was under naive leadership to place the clone on as a politician who could rise up through the senate and control the political masses through manipulation. When Sidious informed Nute Gunray and Rune Haako o fhis ability to control the senate, he was actually not talking of himself doing it, but because he controls palpatine's every move he has the ability to do so.

All will become clear in Episode 3, and I obviously dont know if my above theory is correct, however, I am pretty sure that Sidious and Palpatine are not the same person. I am almost definate that Syfo Dyas is Sidious.

We shall all find out what the truth is in May 2005!

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This is actauly quite simple... With usage of the darkside, your body becomes corrupted, a very powerful dark jedi such as sidious would have, by the time he became the emporer, used the darkside a whole heckuva lot, this causes ones body to corrode, and become impure, frail.... that is one of the reasons vader wears the suit. I know we have all heard the story's about him falling into a lava pit, or something like that. WHile that may be true, its only half true, vader was very powerful in the force, much more so then palpatine, the reason he followed sidius so much was because, as all apprentices, sith or no, he was loyal. And also sidius provided him with guidance, something we see in ep.2 he greatly needed.

as for the whole jedi/clone/sidius thing, it very well may be true...then again, perhaps sidius is both palpatine and the jedi dude...(i cant remember is name)

anyway, yes, good points...

now, that ive appease that, i gotta say... YOUR WRONG AHAHAHA~!!!! CHEWIES THE EMPORER!!! "darth chewbaca" is his real name...yep, he just shaves when he dones the emporer suit... that crafty devil...

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Syfo Dyas = Sidious - Jedi have not seen him yet = If Palpatine and Sidious are one and the same then Palpatine would be recognizable in appearance to the Jedi. THAT IS BASED ON MY THEORY THAT SYFO DYAS IS DARTH SIDIOUS!!!

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