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Graysith



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posted 03-03-2002 11:18 AM     Profile for Graysith   Author's Homepage   Email Graysith     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
This was sent to me, and in one fell swoop says everything I believe in:
Crazier Than Thou
February 13, 2002
By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN
LONDON

Reading Europe's press, it is really reassuring to see how warmly Europeans have embraced President Bush's formulation
that an "axis of evil" threatens world peace. There's only one small problem. President Bush thinks the axis of evil
is Iran, Iraq and North Korea, and the Europeans think it's Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney and Condi Rice.

I'm not kidding. Chris Patten, the European Union's foreign policy czar, told The Guardian that the Bush axis- of-evil
idea was dangerously "absolutist and simplistic," not "thought through" and "unhelpful," and that the Europeans
needed to stop Washington before it went into
"unilateralist overdrive."

So what do I think? I think these critics are right that the countries Mr. Bush identified as an axis of evil are not really an "axis," and we shouldn't drive them together.

And the critics are right that each of these countries poses a different kind of threat and requires a different, nuanced response. And the critics are right that America
can't fight everywhere alone.

And the critics are right that America needs to launch a serious effort to end
Israeli-Palestinian violence, because it's undermining anyhope of U.S.-Arab cooperation.

The critics are right on all these counts - but I'm still glad President Bush said what he said.

Because the critics are missing the larger point, which is this: Sept. 11 happened because America had lost its deterrent capability. We lost it because for 20 years we never retaliated against, or brought to justice, those who murdered Americans. From the first suicide bombing of the U.S. Embassy in Beirut in April 1983, to the bombing of the Marine barracks at the Beirut airport a few months later, to the T.W.A. hijacking, to the attack on U.S. troops at
Khobar Towers in Saudi Arabia, to the suicide bombings of two U.S. embassies in East Africa, to the attack on the
U.S.S. Cole in Yemen, innocent Americans were killed and we did nothing.

So our enemies took us less and less seriously and became more and more emboldened. Indeed, they became so emboldened
that a group of individuals - think about that for a second: not a state but a group of individuals - attacked America in its own backyard. Why not? The terrorists and
the states that harbor them thought we were soft, and they were right. They thought that they could always "out-crazy" us, and they were right. They thought we would always
listen to the Europeans and opt for "constructive engagement" with rogues, not a fist in the face, and they were right.

America's enemies smelled weakness all over us, and we paid a huge price for that. There is an old bedouin legend that goes like this:

An elderly Bedouin leader thought that by
eating turkey he could restore his virility. So he bought a turkey, kept it by his tent and stuffed it with food every
day.

One day someone stole his turkey. The Bedouin elder called his sons together and told them: "Boys, we are in great danger. Someone has stolen my turkey."

"Father," the sons answered, "what do you need a turkey for?"

"Never mind," he answered, "just get me back my turkey."

But the sons ignored him and a month later someone stole the old man's camel. "What should we do?" the sons asked.

"Find my turkey," said the father. But the sons did nothing, and a few weeks later the man's daughter was raped. The father said to his sons: "It is all because of
the turkey. When they saw that they could take my turkey, we lost everything."

America is that Bedouin elder, and for 20 years people have been taking our turkey. The Europeans don't favor any military action against Iraq, Iran or North Korea. Neither do I. But what is their alternative? To wait until Saddam Hussein's son, Uday, who's even a bigger psychopath than his father, has bio-weapons and missiles that can hit Paris?

No, the axis-of-evil idea isn't thought through - but that's what I like about it. It says to these countries and their terrorist pals: "We know what you're cooking in your bathtubs. We don't know exactly what we're going to do about it, but if you think we are going to just sit back and take another dose from you, you're wrong. Meet Don
Rumsfeld - he's even crazier than you are."

There is a lot about the Bush team's foreign policy I don't like, but their willingness to restore our deterrence, and to be as crazy as some of our enemies, is one thing they have right.

It is the only way we're going to get our turkey back.

Copyright 2002 The New York Times Company

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Anakin



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posted 03-03-2002 12:44 PM     Profile for Anakin   Author's Homepage   Email Anakin     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
"Meet Don Rumsfeld - he's even crazier than you are." -- lmfao


I sure hope this article was ran in Europe too, they need to hear it.

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Dash



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posted 03-03-2002 02:13 PM     Profile for Dash   Author's Homepage   Email Dash     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
why aren't we under 1 government? all of us?

1 nation means no emenies

thats why i think we should all become socialists

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Graysith



Chosen Daughter

Member # 27

posted 03-03-2002 05:12 PM     Profile for Graysith   Author's Homepage   Email Graysith     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Nice intentions, Dash, but unfortunately Man just doesn't have the ability in him to be happy as an ant. Otherwise a true socialistic state would be wonderful. Oh well.

And Ani, the article came from The Times, so maybe they did read it in Europe. Probably not in France, though...

[ 03-03-2002 05:16 PM: Message edited 1 time, lastly by Graysith ]

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Mara1Jade



Expanded Universe Goddess and Corran Obsessor

Member # 68

posted 03-03-2002 06:07 PM     Profile for Mara1Jade   Author's Homepage   Email Mara1Jade     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Oh, OUCH.

LOL

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Anakin



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posted 03-03-2002 08:23 PM     Profile for Anakin   Author's Homepage   Email Anakin     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Dash, what are you talking about? No state and local government?

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Mara1Jade



Expanded Universe Goddess and Corran Obsessor

Member # 68

posted 03-03-2002 08:39 PM     Profile for Mara1Jade   Author's Homepage   Email Mara1Jade     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I think he's talking worldwide.

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Padme of Hidden Lake



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posted 03-04-2002 07:32 AM     Profile for Padme of Hidden Lake   Author's Homepage   Email Padme of Hidden Lake     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
No that Aritcle wasn't in the European Times - unless it was in the one that came out today which I'll get tommorrow - the article on that speech over here was much more deragatory against our foriegn policy and actually sounded a bit pro the other nations...

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Anakin



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posted 03-04-2002 07:20 PM     Profile for Anakin   Author's Homepage   Email Anakin     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
See if you can find that article and post it, I'd like to read it.

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Padme of Hidden Lake



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Member # 107

posted 03-05-2002 10:48 AM     Profile for Padme of Hidden Lake   Author's Homepage   Email Padme of Hidden Lake     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I'll see if I can find who ever has the ;ag now and copy out a section if I can - boy do I hate this keyboard the keys are all messed up!!!!!!!!

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Padme of Hidden Lake



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posted 03-07-2002 08:40 AM     Profile for Padme of Hidden Lake   Author's Homepage   Email Padme of Hidden Lake     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Ok I'm am looking at the article now - but I'm having a hard time finding the commentary part again - they go through all the steps writing it and then the deliverance with huge amounts of quotes then the actions afterwards so I'll be back tommorrow to put through thier actual commentary once I get through all the boring facts part but in the mean time I thought you guys might like this little bit from a letter to the editor in the same issue from a British citizen - it's really nice to know we have friends like this - it also made me laugh considering the history of our 2 countries - when we were Mother country and Colonies:


"BRITIAN WON'T COZY UP

RE "Weighing the Pound" (Jan 14): British people are wary not of the euro perse but of the consequences of joining the single currency... Heath, however, was taking hte first step down a road that would lead to the formation of a federal European superstate and a consequent loss of sovereignty and independence for its constituent nations. We like to pretend that we live in a democracy. But there has been nothing democratic about hte way in which the British people have been gulled by thier leaders into believing that the only way to move forward is for Britian to cozy up to Europe and forget the rest of the world. Frankly, I WOULD RATHER WE BECOME A STATE OF THE U.S. THAN PART OF THE BUREUCRATIC NIGHTMARE OF A FEDERAL EUROPE.
Robert Readman
Boscombe, England"

Capital print at the end added by me rest Copyright Time Magazine Europe.

Though you all might enjoy this little bit of solidarity with our British Friends!

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