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Graysith



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posted 02-24-2003 11:21 PM     Profile for Graysith   Author's Homepage   Email Graysith     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Ok, here we go:

Three men rent a hotel room. The cost of the room is $30, so each man paid $10.

After they had gone into their room, the desk clerk realized he had overcharged them. The true cost was $25. So he sent a bellboy up with the $5 he owed them.

The bellboy couldn't figure out how to split $5 three ways, so he gave each man $1, and kept the remaining $2 for himself.

After getting back the $1, this meant that each man paid $9 for the room instead of $10. $9 x 3 men = $27. Add the $2 the bellboy kept. The total is now $29.

Where is the other dollar?

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Graysith



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posted 02-24-2003 11:36 PM     Profile for Graysith   Author's Homepage   Email Graysith     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Ok, here's another item. This touches on a topic I've "debated" with another member a time or two, but what the hey, I'll toss it in here for you all to decide upon.

The mind, like any muscle, tones and improves with use. It has been shown that board games where you pit yourself against a living, breathing opponent greatly increase one's "mental muscle." I mean such games as chess, checkers, card games, Parcheesi... whatever. Battleship. Something where you have to strategize and think.

Subjects who participated in these kind of studies showed improvement on tests over time. Playing video games did not seem to improve one's capacity to hold/store/analyze data/information, but did seem to improve one's hand-eye coordination.

So while vid-games might be fun, it's better for ya to play against a real person. And the more you do, the better your mind becomes, and the easier it becomes to learn new things.

Or so the study showed.

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Graysith



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posted 02-24-2003 11:55 PM     Profile for Graysith   Author's Homepage   Email Graysith     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Working on problem #1:

Hmmm... I think it has something to do with interdimensionality, the Elseness and the theme from X-files...

[ 02-24-2003 11:56 PM: Message edited 1 time, lastly by Graysith ]

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Loban



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posted 02-24-2003 11:59 PM     Profile for Loban   Author's Homepage   Email Loban     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Desk Clerk has 3 10s, 1 less 5... $25
Bellboy has 2 dollars............ $2
Men have 3 dollars............... $3

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Mara1Jade



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posted 02-25-2003 12:02 AM     Profile for Mara1Jade   Author's Homepage   Email Mara1Jade     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
that doesn't explain where the other dollar is...

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Loban



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posted 02-25-2003 12:03 AM     Profile for Loban   Author's Homepage   Email Loban     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
it doesn't? does it not equal $30? the clerk had the difference...

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Graysith



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posted 02-25-2003 12:04 AM     Profile for Graysith   Author's Homepage   Email Graysith     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I think it does. It's one of those "must add not subtract" things....

I'm just trying to figure out where!

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Anakin



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posted 02-25-2003 12:05 AM     Profile for Anakin   Author's Homepage   Email Anakin     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I shall solve the mystery.

30 dollars. 3 people. 10 dollars each.

30 minus 25 equals 5. 5 dollars.

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each paid 10, minus one.

10 minus 1 equals 9. 9 times three equals 27. 3 extra dollars. 25 for the room. 3 for the guys, two for the bellboy. each guy paid 10 first. given one back. each guy paid nine. 2 dollars for the bellboy, equals 27.

each person paid nine dollars for the room plus the tip for the bellboy which turned out to be 2 dollars. 27 dollars.

what was the question?

ok. each paid 10. each given one back. each paid nine. total paid was 27 dollars.

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that's just impossible...

25/3 = 8.333333

each paid 8.33 cents for the room. Our total we're working with is now only 27 dollars, not 30. three was given back to the three men. 27 dollars. 2 was given to the bell boy. 25 total, for the room.

I have figured it out. all hail me.

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Loban



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posted 02-25-2003 12:07 AM     Profile for Loban   Author's Homepage   Email Loban     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
, where's that stress thread??

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Anakin



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posted 02-25-2003 12:08 AM     Profile for Anakin   Author's Homepage   Email Anakin     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
each person paid $.66 for the tip, roughly equalling 2 dollars total.

they were given back three dollars total. 25 total paid to the clerk who tried to cheat them but then had a change of heart.

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Mara1Jade



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posted 02-25-2003 12:11 AM     Profile for Mara1Jade   Author's Homepage   Email Mara1Jade     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
It's the damn bellboy. He pocketed a third dollar when no one was looking...

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Graysith



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posted 02-25-2003 12:34 AM     Profile for Graysith   Author's Homepage   Email Graysith     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
"The Truth Is Out There....

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Mara1Jade



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posted 02-25-2003 12:37 AM     Profile for Mara1Jade   Author's Homepage   Email Mara1Jade     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Is it just me or was the three dollars given to the men never figured back in?

Ok, so they ended up paying 27 dollars for the room, cause the bellboy kept 2 dollars (25+2=27)

So then why do we add the 2 dollars the bellboy kept AGAIN? (27+2=29)

Shouldn't we add back in the three dollars given to the men? (25+2+3=30)

The way the brainteaser reads, the equation is:

25(desk clerk) + 2(bellboy) plus 2(bellboy again)= 30

It SHOULD be 25(desk clerk) + 2(bellboy) + 3 (men) =30

The alleged "missing dollar" has been with the men all along because we've been counting what the bellboy has twice, and disregarding the 3 dollars that has been given back to the men.

That's what I think, anyway...

9*3=25+2

PLUS the *3 RETURNED DOLLARS*

Equals *30*

[ 02-25-2003 12:42 AM: Message edited 1 time, lastly by Mara1Jade ]

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Loban



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posted 02-25-2003 12:40 AM     Profile for Loban   Author's Homepage   Email Loban     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
isn't that what I said?

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Mara1Jade



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posted 02-25-2003 12:44 AM     Profile for Mara1Jade   Author's Homepage   Email Mara1Jade     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
You said the clerk had the difference. There IS no difference, the money is all there. But the equation is set up wrong...

I think...

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Loban



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posted 02-25-2003 01:14 AM     Profile for Loban   Author's Homepage   Email Loban     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
duh? that's what gray and I said...

I was trying to explain to you what I meant... 2 for the bellboy, 3 for the men... the part missing is 25 for the clerk...

how was this not understood?

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Mara1Jade



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posted 02-25-2003 09:45 AM     Profile for Mara1Jade   Author's Homepage   Email Mara1Jade     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
OK, whatever. Just call me stupid, but I never saw you say that the bellboy's money (2 dollars) was counted TWICE, and the money returned to the men was counted NEVER (3 dollars), thus making the difference of ONE DOLLAR.

But you know, that's me, and I'm stupid.

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Graysith



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posted 02-25-2003 01:02 PM     Profile for Graysith   Author's Homepage   Email Graysith     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
All right, ALL RIGHT.

This forum is for improvement not belittlement, whether that latter is imagined or intended.

Keep on track, people.

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Loban



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posted 02-25-2003 02:14 PM     Profile for Loban   Author's Homepage   Email Loban     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
just forget it

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Padme of Hidden Lake



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posted 03-03-2003 08:01 PM     Profile for Padme of Hidden Lake   Author's Homepage   Email Padme of Hidden Lake     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Mara - you are absolutely right - cool girl - can you come be in my class?????

GS - could I copy that problem out to give to my students? its exactly the type of stuff we use in centers!!!

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