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Topic: Segregation still lives..
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Anakin
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posted 05-19-2003 03:32 PM
     
While it's an honorable point, segregation didn't start WW2, or the Civil War. In the case of WW2, the persecution of Jews had little to do with the war, it was only later, near the end of the war, that concentration camps were found. And the civil war was fought over state's rights. But yea, the heart of the issue was slavery, but wasn't the separation of whites and blacks, but the enslavement of blacks. Separating people hasn't started any wars....it's just really ignorant. I read something the other day that put it well, but I can't remember what it was. -------------------- Support Progress
Posts: 1663 | From: Louisville, Ky/Chicago, IL | Registered: Apr 2000 | Logged: 12.220.189.20
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LumbiaSith
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posted 05-19-2003 07:27 PM
I never said segregation started a war, I said racism did. If I did describe it in the way that it was, I'm sorry--my mistake, but I meant that racism was the cause of Civil War & World War 2. Well sorta...World War 2. For Hitler, a racist created this attack in Europe and the fact that he signed a treaty with Japan of partnership and such. Well not directly racism, but it was a trait that was one of the reasons Hitler was so important. If he didn't lead the idea of racism thorugh the hearts of all of Europe he wouldn't be on the status he was. He wouldn't be signing treaties of war.. Anyways, you pointed out the reason of Civil War. It mainly circled around black enslavement, which numerous northeners felt was wrong, meanwhile southerners felt it was right for it produced finicial means for them. Without it, they wouldn't hold such a powerful presence. Since the south took on the idea of independence, the President, which was Lincoln at the time took a stand and said otherwise. This in turn started the Civil War, but the heart of it was slavery. Which is one small reason why the north one, because of course African American's would fight for the Northener side. Anyways...that's all I gotta say now..bye bye. [ 05-19-2003 07:34 PM: Message edited 1 time, lastly by LumbiaSith ] -------------------- "I am here to redeem myself. See, The Fate of the universe lies in my hands! I will take up the challenge!"
-Lumbia Whitfield
Posts: 1143 | From: In space... | Registered: Jun 2002 | Logged: 12.213.76.134
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Anakin
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posted 05-20-2003 06:59 PM
Pardon me, but for some reason I don't mind continuing this really dumb argument. You said, "Seperating a people because of skin, or nationlity is just idiotic. It has even started wars." Being black, I would think you'd know that separating a people because of skin or nationality is called segregation. Racism is a feeling one has towards others. Racism can motivate segregation, but so can other things. Your Hitler paragraph is awfully confusing. Hitler didn't brew racism in Europe, he brewed a feeling of nationalistic superiority. In a way that's racism, but it's not what started the war. The invasion of Poland was what started the war. It can be argued that that invasion had to do with race, but you can't prove it. And for the civil war, what are you talking about? Although enslavement was at the heart of every argument for the succession, enslavement is no the same as racism. They wanted the enslavment (the majority of folks) because of the money generated from it. Padme, what's that got to do with anything? So, they thought Germany had camps, like we later had for the Japanese; that didn't start the war, it had nothing to do with it. Let's clraify, the death camps weren't found until after the war. Better? -------------------- Support Progress
Posts: 1663 | From: Louisville, Ky/Chicago, IL | Registered: Apr 2000 | Logged: 12.220.189.20
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Anakin
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posted 05-21-2003 06:04 PM
Lumbia, I wasn't trying to change any opinions, I was simply letting you know facts. Padme, you're pulling a lot out of your butt. Hitler signed a treaty with Britain that said he was done with his expeansion, or his reunification of German territories, which was what he was doing by taking the Sudetenland, Austria, etc. Had he even spoke of giving Poland a chance to join without armed conflict, not to mention that would have been a lengthy discussion, not something that happens in a night, Britain would get a clue and say hell no. It was the surprise in the invasion of Poland that sparked war. It had nothing to do with racism. Racism is not segregation. Segregation can exist without racism, however, it is rare that that happens. And by the way, Jews aren't a race, they're a religion. Racism was not a cause of world war 2.-------------------- Support Progress
Posts: 1663 | From: Louisville, Ky/Chicago, IL | Registered: Apr 2000 | Logged: 12.220.189.20
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